[pp.int.general] Recent events involving PPI

[Thomas Blechschmidt]

I Agree

Best regards

Thomas

>-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
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>[mailto:pp.international.general-bounces at lists.pirateweb.net] Im Auftrag
>von Zbigniew Lukasiak
>Gesendet: Samstag, 7. März 2015 09:04
>An: Pirate Parties International -- General Talk
>Betreff: Re: [pp.int.general] Recent events involving PPI
>
>I have the feeling that PPI is now beyond repair. With all this 'you
>cannot resign without sending us a registered letter' and then inviting
>us to donate for buying the stamps for that registered letter that the
>PP-AU does not want to send - it has become a Ministry of Silly
>Procedures (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IqhlQfXUk7w).
>
>But I still think that the discussions here do have some importance - as
>whatever will be the replacement for PPI it'll need to avoid the same
>mistakes. And Andrew is very eloquent and precise in nailing down these
>problems and that is valuable. Even though he is apparently not very
>good in persuading people.
>
>Cheers,
>Zbigniew Łukasiak
>
>On Sat, Mar 7, 2015 at 12:07 AM, Jens Stomber
><jens.stomber at piratenpartei.de> wrote:
>> Hi Andrew,
>>
>> there are three things that you can do regarding PPI:
>> 1. love it
>> 2. change it
>> 3. leave it
>>
>> Please make a decision and act accordingly. Do you represent any of
>> PPI´s members at the moment? Do you take any responsibilities in PPI?
>> if not, please stop arguing with Thomas and Gregory. Trolling is not a
>> solution if you can´t get enough support for your arguments.
>>
>> The pirate movement has unfortunately moved into a negative trend
>> (Iceland seems to be the only exception). Hitting the PPI board aside
>> of the official processes (GA, board meetings, motions, etc.) will
>> even harm us more. Please keep calm and constructive and stop this
>shitstorm!
>>
>>
>> --
>> Jens Stomber - Pirate Party Germany
>> http://wiki.piratenpartei.de/Benutzer:ZombB
>> mobile: +49-151-54828237 \o\ zrtp: zombb at ostel.co
>> e-mail: jens.stomber at piratenpartei.de /o/ key id: 0x6951B4FA
>> fingerprint: D331 9041 7DCB 4779 C0D1 FCA0 7EDE 42DB 6951 B4FA
>> jabber: zombb at jabber.ccc.de \o\ twitter: @ZombBi
>>
>> councillor of the European Pirate Party /o/
>> https://europeanpirates.eu/ coordinator squad nsa-scandal \o\
>> http://is.gd/stopnsa
>>
>> Am Freitag, 6. März 2015, 17:51:26 schrieb Andrew Norton:
>>> On 3/6/2015 5:04 PM, Thomas Gaul wrote:
>>> > Hi Andrew!
>>> >
>>> > Your are an artist. A great one! So YMMD!
>>> >
>>> > And sorry for laughing aloud about your derailing tonight.
>>>
>>> You call it derailing - many of us call it "rational debate on the
>>> facts concerning the activities a group that purports to speak for us
>all"
>>>
>>> If you don't like being called out on shit, then don't do shitty
>things.
>>>
>>> > Or using your wording from today on a different channel:
>>> >
>>> > " if SWeden and iceland leave, I think ppi will be finished they're
>>> > two 'big' parties (one the founder, the other the only one in a
>>> > national parliament on its own terms)"
>>> >
>>> > Your intention is obvious. Bye bye!
>>>
>>> Yes, my intention IS obvious, it's never been anything but. My
>>> intention is, and always has been to make PPI best achieve it's
>>> goals. At present, I think EVERYONE can see it's not.
>>>
>>> You seem to think that the Board = PPI, and therefore if you're
>>> against the Board, you're against PPI. I wouldn't have an issue if
>>> you went about things COMPETENTLY, but instead it's all selfishly.
>>> PURE Dunning-kruger.
>>>
>>> What other 'intent' do you ascribe? That I'm somehow using my wily
>>> influence to infiltrate and subvert the PPI? As the PPUK's
>>> international coordinator said when Gregory made those claims against
>>> me a short time ago, I'm not that persuasive., and I didn't need to
>>> be. Every member of the UK Board gets the leaders lists, and I think
>>> the party executive did too. I think it's ok to say now that there
>>> was only one dissenting voice out of all of them for leaving, and
>>> that includes many who have dealt personally with you. The lone
>>> dissenter voted no because they didn't think the specifics of the
>>> proposal matches the referenced data, but they did have significant
>questions over recent PPI Board activities.
>>>
>>> I didn't do anything except propose the vote, I didn't have to. You,
>>> as a board, did it far better than any outsider possibly could.
>>>
>>> And yes, I know you're on #ppi.
>>>
>>> > Thanks anyway for you help to PPI before it had been founded. My
>>> > filter is active again on this specific mailing list.
>>> >
>>> > (Get a life would be the appropriate saying - no I don't say it.)
>>> >
>>> > I wish you all the best in life! LLAP
>>> >
>>> > Thomas
>>> > (being here on my own - which is allowed for you as you stated but
>>> > not for
>>> > others)
>>>
>>> Oh, you're more than welcome to say things 'on your own behalf'. You
>>> don't get the ability to pick and choose between being PPI 'chief
>>> admin officer', and PP-DE representative to PPI though, because the
>>> statutes specifically state you can't. The wording is about as clear
>>> as it's possible to be. So either you know that, and don't care, in
>>> which case you're not exactly a suitable person to hold such a role;
>>> or you have difficulty understanding such a concept in which case
>>> you're not competent to fulfil the role.
>>>
>>> I have to admit, I really did think it was the former, but as time
>>> goes on, evidence is mounting that it's the latter.
>>>
>>> As for me, I understood the intent behind the rule. You can't
>>> represent the international movement as a whole AND a
>>> national/regional movement to that international group.
>>> Even if there is no actual bias, it gives the impression of bias to
>>> the other members. Conversely, the state party will be less likely to
>>> get a report that may be critical, because it's unlikely they will
>>> criticize themself.
>>> It's a lose-lose all around, and it doesn't matter even if there is
>>> no bias, just the implication or appearance of bias can be as
>detrimental.
>>> Especially in an organisation whose founding principles is supposed
>>> to be against that.
>>>
>>> In fact I understood it so well, that when I did take over PPI, the
>>> first thing I did was resign my position with USPP, because I didn't
>>> want to give the impression that USPP activities would influence any
>>> actions.
>>>
>>> So the better question is this - why is it so important for both you,
>>> and Gregory, to retain your positions as PP-DE's international
>>> coordinators?
>>>
>>> Doubt we'll get any answer to that though.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Andrew Norton
>>> http://ktetch.co.uk
>>> Tel: +1(352)6-KTETCH [+1-352-658-3824]
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