[pp.int.general] !! Denmark censors Internet, blocks The Pirate Bay

[Carlos Ayala]

----- Mensaje original ----
De: Jan Huwald <jh at sotun.de>
Enviado: martes, 5 de febrero, 2008 21:15:54
> Carlos, 
please 
fix 
your 
quotation 
line 
breaks!

It's a Yahoo! issue -feature :)-

> > What 
I 
think 
RIcardo 
was 
saying 
-as 
he 
said 
it 
as 
an 
answer 
to 
my 
former 
mail- 
is 
that 
it 
would 
be 
dangerous 
that
> > people 
finally 
think 
of 
circumvention 
of 
laws 
as 
a 
solution 
against 
harmful 
laws/court 
judgments. 
Not 
only 
because
> > of 
becoming 
criminals 
shouldn't 
be 
found 
acceptable 
-as 
I 
said 
in 
my 
former 
mail, 
not 
only 
using 
but 
even 
just
> > having DRM-circumventing 
tools 
is 
considered 
a 
crime 
against 
common 
law-, 
but 
if 
people 
find 
themselves
> > comfortable 
with that 
idea 
of 
"no 
problem 
if 
X 
law/court 
judgment 
does 
not 
allow 
me 
to 
do 
Y, 
I'll 
circumvent 
the
> > prohibition", 
I 
think 
they won't 
probably 
be 
worried 
anymore 
about 
the 
true 
problem: 
the 
very 
existence 
of 
that 
law
> > or 
the 
reasons 
for 
that 
judge to 
release 
that 
judgment.
> 1. 
Code 
is 
law. 
As 
a 
party 
we 
should 
write 
and 
promote 
laws 
(traditional 
ones and 
code)

Of course that we, PPI, if we reach European Parliament, are going to propose reviewing EU directives. And each pirate party will do -I suppose; we in PIRATA are going to do it even though not going to reach parliament, as I commented in Berlin, through popular initiative and citizens' signatures- the same with their national laws if national parliaments are reached.

> 2. 
_Certain 
aspects_ 
of 
the 
freedom 
of 
information 
are 
implicit 
laws 
of computer 
spaces 
almost 
as 
unavoidable 
as
> gravity 
is 
in 
the 
physical 
world. Showing 
this 
nature 
of 
information 
space 
is 
one 
of 
the 
best 
advertisings 
for our 
party

I didn't understand that statement at all; I mean, I didn't get the point -maybe due to my poor english level :)-.

> 3. 
Civil 
disobediance 
is 
and 
will 
be 
an 
important 
part 
of 
the 
"pirate community" 
(not 
identical 
to 
pirate 
parties) 
as 
well
> as 
modern 
citizenship 
in the 
current 
surveillance 
society

I hope you are not mistaking what I expressed in my former mail: at least in Spain -it seems (from Ole, Ricardo, Amelia and other's mails) that it's not just an spanish local issue- when we in PIRATA explain people the dangers of these laws/judgments, some people answer us "indeed, you're right, but who cares? while I can find CDs without levies/ways to circumvent DRM/ways to access Pirate Bay/etc, it's not my problem anymore". So they are not making civil disobedience -as a mean for achieving a goal (changing the law)-, but just trying to avoid law enforcement while such laws consolidate.

As I said maybe my english is not quite good, Jan; I hope now I finally have been able to make myself understood :) Regards and good luck in your national board meeting


                                                                                   Carlos Ayala
                                                                                   ( Aiarakoa )

                                                            Partido Pirata National Board's Chairman




       
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