[pp.int.general] Technical Reasons not to meet in Brazil

[Joonas Mäkinen]

Completely agreeing with Thomas here. Striving to "fix" some potential
issues with PPI have turned into personal crusades which are hurting the
whole movement. Just let it be for now.

2010/4/23 Thomas Burke <mrthomasjburke at gmail.com>

> Ok I would just like to ask that we please stop this kind of stuff.
> All the arguing over what "went wrong" or where would be the "best"
> place to have the next conference is a little pointless at this time.
> Until we are ready to plan for the next conference (Which wont be
> happening for a long time yet unless we call an EGA) we have more
> important issues to cover. We each have homegrown problems to discuss
> and of course we also have the acta issue which is ever present. Lets
> just leave all the rest for now and deal with the things that are
> going to have a profound affect on us now.
>
> - Thomas
>
> On 23 April 2010 15:22, Kenneth Peiruza <kenneth at contralaguerra.org>
> wrote:
> > Rodrigo/Jorge,
> >
> > En/na Rodrigo Pereira ha escrit:
> >>
> >>    I would never vote to make a remote conference in India, Vietnam,
> >> Cambodja, Thailand or even Singapore for European people, as pings are
> >> never below 300 ms and usually around 400-500ms. Now, after my tests, I
> >> would also don't vote Brazil until it gets better Internet
> >> communicacions with Europe, as previously said.
> >
> > This is irrelevant because we are not discussing conference projects,
> this
> > is just an invitation.
> >
> > Then your invitation is also irrelevant, isn't it?
> >
> > Using a good hardware and a good compression, and one of our icecast2
> > servers in Sweden, I think we can do a very good streaming. Please do not
> > disqualify an invitation using a technical justification. That does not
> > change the value of the invitation. And this is unnecessary.
> >
> > Cross-continental delay in  communications  has little to do with your
> > hardware (unless  using SatCom), so, you are (again) wrong.
> >
> > An invitation must be checked in all aspects: easiness/affordability of
> > traveling to that place as well as granting a decent remote
> participation.
> > If some point fails, the invitation weakens.
> >
> > Unnecessary is blaming other people, crying to get cash back when some
> > people donated for you and a lot more lost personal cash. Unnecessary is
> > telling others that they have prejudices when they reply/answer/comment
> on
> > something you don't like.
> >
> > Sorry, Brazil might be a nice country but it's not the place for a low
> > budget congress with remote delegates using VoIP, as VoIP will be CRAPPY
> for
> > 5/6 of delegates. That is a fact. Without VoIP, any remote delegate will
> > feel impotent, as it happened last time.
> >
> > It would also be a bad place because of people like you two, but this is
> a
> > personal opinion, not a fact.
> >
> > Is that a prejudice or you simply want it and don't accept any FACT
> against
> > it? Stop blaming other people saying they have prejudices just because we
> > don't share your points.
> >
> >
> > Grow up, you are the ones with prejudices.
> >
> >
> > Rodrigo.
> >
> > Kenneth
> >
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Joonas "JoonasD6" Mäkinen
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Piraattinuoret – Piratungdom

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