[pp.int.general] File Sharing in Space

[Sina Amoor Pour]

This project reminds me of this project:
http://vimeo.com/15091562("Homemade Spacecraft")

There is probably a lot that can be learned from that project.


On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 7:34 PM, Erik Lönroth <erik.lonroth a gmail.com>wrote:

> Wow!
>
> Seems like a response from the community with some substance to it! I
> like the idea of "Practical Politics" instead of just "Political
> Politics". Not to say one goes without the other, but in the end your
> either do or you don't.
>
> I might have arranged with some funding already for some rudimentary
> electronics:
>
> Regarding the details about the flight, nothing is decided. Its just
> clear that its better if it stays up longer, stays over land and stays
> alive. Apart from that, I guess its up to the ambitions of the
> project.
>
> I have compiled a starting position of stuff that might provide stuff
> for this - feel free to look over the details and maybe hint of better
> stuff you know of:
>
> Baloon: http://www.scientificsales.com/
> Computer: http://www.gumstix.com/
> GPS module: expansion board for gumstix at http://www.gumstix.com/
> Solar panel:
> http://teknikhamstern.se/Butiken/tabid/61/ProductID/33/Default.aspx
>
> I don't know what kind of problem the communication will introduce for
> me. I guess both weather condition and the flight altitude will cause
> different challenges. I think this might be the most challenging part.
> How to acctually make it possible for the site to send and receive
> data from internet...
>
> I have discovered an initial problem that needs to be thought of:
>
> * Helium baloons leak their gas because of the atoms escaping through
> the latex in the baloon. This makes them crash after maybe some 3-5
> days. With a substance called "Hi float" pumped into the baloon it can
> be prolonged, but not enough. So - how the hell can one force a baloon
> to stay in the air for alot longer?!
>
> Can the collective mind of PPI solve a problem with making a baloon
> stay up in the air for lets say - a year ?
>
> If we can make a file-sharing site go orbit - what can we do else?
> /Erik
>
> BTW:  The tips you gave Francisco George are very interesting. I will
> look into that for sure.  The idea of a satellite is wonderful, even
> if maybe in the far end of reality.
>
> Andrew Norton:
> >> The main thing that will drive the design will be the flight profile.
> >> How high, and how long.  do you want a weather-baloon style uncontrolled
>  High enough.
>  As long as possible - a year(s) ?
> >> climb, or something more like an airship, or an ultra-high altitude
> >> glider?
>  High enough to be cool, low enough to be able to reach with
> communications.
> >> Or, most ambitiously, do you want something to LEO? Then, do you
> >> want minutes, hours, days? Recovery+relaunch? Geostationary, or not?
>   I don't really expect to get the stuff back. Its probably very
> likely it turns up in the sea or so. Geostationary is probably way to
> difficult as a first project. Its better to set a goal and reach it
> and then look at the stars.
>
> /Erik
>
> On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 1:52 PM, Francisco George
> <francisco.george a gmail.com> wrote:
> > Ok
> > This could be feasable.
> > If you manage to put some device in the air there is already some
> software
> > that could be use to download the material upthere.
> > The soft is called SkyGrabber, and is known to have been used by Irakis
> > insurgents to capture images and live videos from US Drones.
> >
> http://www.forbes.com/2010/02/02/hackers-cybercrime-cryptography-technology-security-satellite.html
> > The software Webpage
> > http://www.skygrabber.com/en/index.php
> > and more info in google search: http://bit.ly/9x0Sdx
> > You could also use http://kickstarter.com to find fundings for such
> project.
> > This site is the one used by DIASPORA to raise funds for their project.
> > Solar panels should provide the main Energy I think. But why not think of
> a
> > real Satelite...
> > Brazil, known for the liberal use of internet, has a Space
> > Agency http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brazilian_Space_Agency
> > Best Regards
> > Francisco George
> > Member of National Comitee of the Spanish Pirate Party
> >
> >
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> >>   1. File sharing in space (Erik L?nroth)
> >>   2. Re: File sharing in space (Andrew Norton)
> >>   3. Re: File sharing in space (Rodrigo Pereira)
> >>   4. Re: European Liberty Conference (Richard Stallman)
> >>   5. Re: European Liberty Conference (Richard Stallman)
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> >>   7. Re: European Liberty Conference (Marco Confalonieri)
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> >> Message: 1
> >> Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2010 22:22:41 +0200
> >> From: Erik L?nroth <erik.lonroth a gmail.com>
> >> Subject: [pp.int.general] File sharing in space
> >> To: Pirate Parties International -- General Talk
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> >>
> >> Hello you wonderful useless pirates!
> >>
> >> Since we didn't do too well in the Swedish election, I have got some
> >> time over for relaxing and spending time on some private projects.
> >>
> >> A friend of mine is involved in some crazy stuff with rockets and is
> >> currently participating in "Sugar Shot to Space". I'm not sure how,
> >> But anway, we are thinking of doing a far less complicated thing
> >> parallel to that...
> >>
> >> We plan to send a file sharing site (or something similar) into the
> >> sky - possibly a blogg (?)... We plan to use some kind of baloon and
> >> try to keep it up in the air for as long as possible. Hopefully
> >> irritating the crap out of authorities in as many countries as
> >> possible.
> >>
> >> I don't know jack shit about most of the stuff involved, but since I
> >> figured, alot of techies roam this forum - I would like to ask for
> >> good advices and far fetched ideas as to how to do this.
> >>
> >> The Pirate Party Logo is off-course going up together with it.
> >>
> >> The over all goal is to learn how to do this, have fun, create a
> >> debate about free communication, learn stuff, publish everything and
> >> share information.
> >>
> >> Soon, we will start up a forum and wiki, but for now we would like to
> >> know if you useless people can help out on the following topics:
> >>
> >>
> >> * How to make a baloon stay up in the air for as long as possible.
> >> * How to provide energy to enough electronics to drive...
> >> * ... what nessesary equipment is needed to do this.
> >> * How to keep the electronics alive as long as possible.
> >> * How to fund it.
> >>
> >> Are there any of you that can provide help here, or are we alone?
> >>
> >> /Erik
> >>
> >>
> >> ------------------------------
> >>
> >> Message: 2
> >> Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2010 16:32:33 -0400
> >> From: Andrew Norton <ktetch a gmail.com>
> >> Subject: Re: [pp.int.general] File sharing in space
> >> To: pp.international.general a lists.pirateweb.net
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> >> On 10/17/2010 4:22 PM, Erik L?nroth wrote:
> >> > Hello you wonderful useless pirates!
> >> >
> >> > * How to make a baloon stay up in the air for as long as possible.
> >> > * How to provide energy to enough electronics to drive...
> >> > * ... what nessesary equipment is needed to do this.
> >> > * How to keep the electronics alive as long as possible.
> >> > * How to fund it.
> >> >
> >> > Are there any of you that can provide help here, or are we alone?
> >> >
> >>
> >> My second degree was going to be in astrophyics, with an eye towards
> >> Mars (manned missions, astrophysics complimenting my main one in
> robotics)
> >>
> >> Let me think on it a bit.
> >>
> >> The main thing that will drive the design will be the flight profile.
> >> How high, and how long.  do you want a weather-baloon style uncontrolled
> >> climb, or something more like an airship, or an ultra-high altitude
> >> glider? Or, most ambitiously, do you want something to LEO? Then, do you
> >> want minutes, hours, days? Recovery+relaunch? Geostationary, or not?
> >>
> >> make a big difference to the sorts of designs needed.
> >>
> >> > /Erik
> >> > ____________________________________________________
> >> > Pirate Parties International - General Talk
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> >>
> >>
> >> - --
> >> Andrew Norton
> >> http://ktetch.blogspot.com
> >> Tel: (352)6-KTETCH [352-658-3824]
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> >> ------------------------------
> >>
> >> Message: 3
> >> Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 02:29:09 -0200
> >> From: Rodrigo Pereira <rodrigo2kpereira a gmail.com>
> >> Subject: Re: [pp.int.general] File sharing in space
> >> To: Pirate Parties International -- General Talk
> >>        <pp.international.general a lists.pirateweb.net>
> >> Message-ID:
> >>        <AANLkTinFwWOmSeXMaWfOcSfG6jnRLsUvbD0HVoFOq5nu a mail.gmail.com>
> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
> >>
> >> ow! owesome! This will be the sputnik of the new era. I had the idea
> >> to send a micro satelite to spread some "dangerous" urls in morse code
> >> like "h-t-t-p-:-/-/-t-h-e-p-i-r-a-t-e-b-a-y-.-o-r-g using this
> >> service: http://interorbital.com/TubeSat_1.htm
> >>
> >> But I think is more cheaper and "cool" construct a dirigible balloon
> >> loading a router with a customized access point firmware to spread a
> >> torrent site, like firmwares in dd-wrt.com. The dirigible must be
> >> autonomous if coupled in a gps system and a basic route programation
> >> (to skip airports area, for example). Solar pannels with bateries must
> >> be feed the machine.
> >>
> >> Is very nice think about this. If anyone have a lot of money to
> >> support this, call me! ;)
> >>
> >> 2010/10/17 Andrew Norton <ktetch a gmail.com>:
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> >> > On 10/17/2010 4:22 PM, Erik L?nroth wrote:
> >> >> Hello you wonderful useless pirates!
> >> >>
> >> >> * How to make a baloon stay up in the air for as long as possible.
> >> >> * How to provide energy to enough electronics to drive...
> >> >> * ... what nessesary equipment is needed to do this.
> >> >> * How to keep the electronics alive as long as possible.
> >> >> * How to fund it.
> >> >>
> >> >> Are there any of you that can provide help here, or are we alone?
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> > My second degree was going to be in astrophyics, with an eye towards
> >> > Mars (manned missions, astrophysics complimenting my main one in
> >> > robotics)
> >> >
> >> > Let me think on it a bit.
> >> >
> >> > The main thing that will drive the design will be the flight profile.
> >> > How high, and how long. ?do you want a weather-baloon style
> uncontrolled
> >> > climb, or something more like an airship, or an ultra-high altitude
> >> > glider? Or, most ambitiously, do you want something to LEO? Then, do
> you
> >> > want minutes, hours, days? Recovery+relaunch? Geostationary, or not?
> >> >
> >> > make a big difference to the sorts of designs needed.
> >> >
> >> >> /Erik
> >> >> ____________________________________________________
> >> >> Pirate Parties International - General Talk
> >> >> pp.international.general a lists.pirateweb.net
> >> >> http://lists.pirateweb.net/mailman/listinfo/pp.international.general
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > - --
> >> > Andrew Norton
> >> > http://ktetch.blogspot.com
> >> > Tel: (352)6-KTETCH [352-658-3824]
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> >> > ____________________________________________________
> >> > Pirate Parties International - General Talk
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> >>
> >>
> >> ------------------------------
> >>
> >> Message: 4
> >> Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 02:27:27 -0400
> >> From: Richard Stallman <rms a gnu.org>
> >> Subject: Re: [pp.int.general] European Liberty Conference
> >> To: Brendan Molloy <brendanmolloy a pirateparty.org.au>
> >> Cc: pp.international.general a lists.pirateweb.net
> >> Message-ID: <E1P7jBv-0002z6-IT a fencepost.gnu.org>
> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15
> >>
> >> Thanks for the PDF file.
> >>
> >> --
> >> Richard Stallman
> >> President, Free Software Foundation
> >> 51 Franklin St
> >> Boston MA 02110
> >> USA
> >> www.fsf.org, www.gnu.org
> >>
> >>
> >> ------------------------------
> >>
> >> Message: 5
> >> Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 02:27:43 -0400
> >> From: Richard Stallman <rms a gnu.org>
> >> Subject: Re: [pp.int.general] European Liberty Conference
> >> To: Pirate Parties International -- General Talk
> >>        <pp.international.general a lists.pirateweb.net>
> >> Message-ID: <E1P7jCB-00031I-MT a fencepost.gnu.org>
> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15
> >>
> >> The rants Turovskiy directs at me are not opinions about what I said.
> >> They misrepresent what I said about the issue, and they misrepresent
> >> the issue too.
> >>
> >> To publish in Flash v9 does more than simply "tell" people
> >> to use proprietary software -- it requires them to do so
> >> in order to view the publication.
> >>
> >> By contrast, publishing in PDF lets people use many programs
> >> to view the publication.  Some of them are free software,
> >> but people who are determined to lose their freedom do have
> >> the option of using proprietary options too.
> >>
> >> The issue comes from those facts.  When Turovskiy says that this is a
> >> matter of "telling people to use free software", he misrepresents the
> >> issue.  And when he claims I am trying to do that, he misrepresents
> >> what I said.
> >>
> >> --
> >> Richard Stallman
> >> President, Free Software Foundation
> >> 51 Franklin St
> >> Boston MA 02110
> >> USA
> >> www.fsf.org, www.gnu.org
> >>
> >>
> >> ------------------------------
> >>
> >> Message: 6
> >> Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 02:28:08 -0400
> >> From: Richard Stallman <rms a gnu.org>
> >> Subject: Re: [pp.int.general] European Liberty Conference
> >> To: Gregory Engels <gregory.engels a pp-international.net>
> >> Cc: pp.international.general a lists.pirateweb.net
> >> Message-ID: <E1P7jCa-0003Ao-Vg a fencepost.gnu.org>
> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15
> >>
> >>    unfortunately it is bigger than allowed to be uploaded to
> >>    the wiki, so i put it on dropbox:
> >>
> >>
> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/4020978/There%20is%20no%20such%20thing%20as%20intellectual%20property.pdf
> >>
> >> I think that will address the issue.  Thanks.
> >>
> >> --
> >> Richard Stallman
> >> President, Free Software Foundation
> >> 51 Franklin St
> >> Boston MA 02110
> >> USA
> >> www.fsf.org, www.gnu.org
> >>
> >>
> >> ------------------------------
> >>
> >> Message: 7
> >> Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 11:52:33 +0200
> >> From: Marco Confalonieri <marco.confalonieri a email.it>
> >> Subject: Re: [pp.int.general] European Liberty Conference
> >> To: Pirate Parties International -- General Talk
> >>        <pp.international.general a lists.pirateweb.net>
> >> Message-ID: <4CBC18E1.7020100 a email.it>
> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
> >>
> >>  Il 17/10/2010 15.13, Boris Turovskiy ha scritto:
> >> >  Hi lilo,
> >> > I reply in as bad English: fuck you! but you may learn English with
> >> > clients. Thanks.
> >> > Boris
> >>
> >> Apart from my personal stance that without RMS there would be no Pirate
> >> Movement in any part of the world, I'd like to ask you why are you so
> >> rude, since lilo didn't use any insult towards you in the mail you were
> >> replying to.
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >> --
> >> Marco Confalonieri
> >> Associazione Partito Pirata (PP-IT)
> >> http://www.partito-pirata.it
> >>
> >>
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