[pp.int.general] Are there "good" and "wrong" Rigths?

[Kenneth Peiruza]

Hi Justus,

We fixed the issues you comment by adding a simple 3 rule's base (Asimov
Alike) for Direct Democracy:

Rule #1: You can never vote against fundamental rights / Human Rights
Rule #2: You can never vote against Pirate ideology, unless it violates
rule #1
Rule #3: Vote whatever you want which is not against rules #1 and #2.

Regards,

Kenneth


Al 28/03/12 17:39, En/na Justus Römeth ha escrit:
> Not sure what a political party should do. As for individuals, I fully
> support Dario's opinion.
>
> Re direct democracy: It is a two-sided sword. I think getting gay
> rights for example accepted was made easier through representative
> democracy; look at Poland, where a majority of the people are still
> against gay rights (so living homosexually could be made illegal if
> Poland had a direct democracy). It is harder to protect minorities in
> such cases.
> Also, the majority of people in Europe in general is against the death
> penalty in principle. However, after a very cruel crime (think Marc
> Detroux) there might be a temporary majority to have him sentenced to
> death. A direct democracy is great, but it has it's own issues and
> problems we need to work out.
>
> 2012/3/28 Rok Andrée <rok.andree at piratskastranka.net
> <mailto:rok.andree at piratskastranka.net>>
>
>     Hi!
>
>         Should we defend the right to NOT participate in a General
>         Strike equally to the Right in participating in it?
>
>
>     To even pose such a question is to be against freedome of
>     expression, though, opinion, belife etc. To say "You must strike
>     as we are the good ones" is to deny all other beliefs and
>     as such you are no different than a tyrant. You are asking if the
>     fundamental human right, the freedom of expression, should
>     be applied only selectively to the followers of the
>     more powerful camp.
>
>     Now for the explanation.
>     First thing that has to be understood is that the "bad" people on
>     the other side dont think they are "bad", they think they are
>     justified in what they are doing. People supporting them
>     also believe that supporting them is the right thing to do and
>     that YOU, the people on strike are the bad people, the people in
>     the wrong. And by alienating them you prove to them that they are
>     right, that you are "bad".
>     So who is right? Well right is the one who wins, but that's
>     besides the point. 
>     Democracy was founded on this very basis, that a nation of people
>     will never agree on any point completely. You have to accept that
>     other people have different opinions that you will not always be
>     able to change, and be the civilized person to allow them to have
>     those opinions as they allow you to have yours.
>
>     To quote George Carlin (i'm paraphrazing, cant find the accurate
>     quote)
>     Rights that can be taken away at any time are not rights but
>     temporary privileges.
>
>
>     Rok Andrée
>     Piratska stranka Slovenije <http://piratskastranka.net>
>      (Slovenian Pirate Party)
>
>
>
>     On 28 March 2012 10:54, Francisco George
>     <francisco.george at gmail.com <mailto:francisco.george at gmail.com>>
>     wrote:
>
>         My question is for all fellow Pirates all over the world.
>
>         Do You think there is "good" and "wrong" rights under certain
>         circumstances?
>
>         Let's take the General Strike that will take place in Spain
>         tomorrow March, 29th
>
>         Should we defend the right to NOT participate in a General
>         Strike equally to the Right in participating in it?
>
>         Or in the frame of such event should we condemn the people's
>         right to not giving support to the event?
>
>         Personally I understand that both rights are equal and should
>         be defended as strongly both of them.
>         The Human Rights don't make any distinction between "Wrong &
>         Good" ones. Freedom & Rights are equals and none shoul prevail
>         on the other one.
>
>         Thanks a lot for your thoughts on that matter be cause here in
>         Spain the dominant philosofy is "If you are not with me, you
>         are against me" There is No
>         tolerance for a Neutral position.
>
>         Best Regards
>
>         Francisco George
>         Press Officer PP-ES
>
>
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