[pp.int.general] Are there "good" and "wrong" Rigths?

[Kenneth Peiruza]

I didn't knew this part of the history, I only knew the one of PP-SE
saying that they worked hard to get something out of Uppsala's meeting.

IMO, we could go further, as many are proposing for European Pirates, so
we can include citizen participation in our core-ideology.

Regards,

Kenneth

Al 29/03/12 21:03, En/na Andrew Norton ha escrit:
> On 3/29/2012 8:01 AM, Kenneth Peiruza wrote:
> > Well, just going back to reality:
>
> > 1) every pirate party accepts Uppsala's declaration as our starting
> > point of ideology
>
> Not to be a stickler, but the Uppsala Declaration
> (http://int.piratenpartei.de/Uppsala_Declaration) doesn't even follow
> it's own rules.
>
> For those that don't know, this was a declaration made at the Uppsala
> meeting (27 - 29. June 2008) and then announced to the press June 30th
> as being signed by all pirate parties. Yet those not at the meeting
> hadn't even heard of it, let alone participated or approved it. I had
> been participating remotely in the event (as best I could at the time)
> as USPP head, and the first I heard of it was when some media org (I
> forget who, might have been wired or ArsTechnica) phoned me to ask me
> why we thought this declairation was so important. I had to tell them
> 'i've not heard about this, let alone seen it, I'll have to get back to
> you'.
>
> It's funny since the civil rights section goes on about a transparent
> state, and yet this was created in a very NON-transparent manner.
>
> Also, your claim that everyone accepted it wasn't true, as the mailing
> list at the time proves. like Carlos Ayala asking the day after it was
> announced to the press what condition it's in, who wrote it and who
> signed it, because despite being Pirata's chairman at the time, he
> didn't know
> (http://lists.pirateweb.net/pipermail/pp.international.general/2008-June/001199.html)
> I sure didn't know either.
>
> I kinda thought that's why we'd thrown it in a box marked 'do not talk
> about again', because it had been handled so badly, that it didn't meet
> the basic values we would expect of others, let alone ourselves.
>
> Andrew
>
>

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