[pp.int.general] Research Survey.

Tue May 8 18:59:29 CEST 2012

I ditched PAYPAL right after the WikiLeaks scandal, and I'm not backtracking.

And Kenneth sounds like the fucking RIAA calculating lost profits ;) .

Pragmatism without ethics will get us nowhere (why am I thinking Vågmästarställning here?).

Stupidity is not the only sin that plagues humanity.

Antonio.
PP-ES

P.S.: I'm sorry Kenneth, you can come and collect in Brussels any time you want. Can't do otherwise in an economically feasible way, as I do not even have a bank account ;) . 
Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 13:36:28 +0200
From: marko.mitrovic at piratskapartija.com
To: pp.international.general at lists.pirateweb.net
Subject: Re: [pp.int.general] Research Survey.

This is how I imagine ancient Greek philosophers worked. They sat in circles and for hours and days debated pointless things instead of taking some action. We are true direct democrats :)

And I can't make paypal donation, it's not functional in my country :P

On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 1:25 PM, Kenneth Peiruza <kenneth at pirata.cat> wrote:

    Dear Andrew,

    Ok, I understand we must be efficient, right, but this whole thread
    is POINTLESS.

    There's loads of FLOSS tools to create polls/surveys and it just
    takes 3 minutes to install them, or just pay 30$ to someone else and
    you'll get it as a service.

    Creating the poll/survey itself is time consuming in any platform,
    free or privative.

    This whole chatting wasted a lot more time than creating the survey
    itself. Let's take 5 minutes / participant's email * 18, that's at
    least 90 minutes, + readers.

    I charge my hours from 40 to 80 €, so, we wasted more than 100 €, 4
    times what it costs to pay to get this thing done.

    Talking about efficiency, we are stupid.

    Next one to reply this thread is invited to make a paypal donation
    of 5€. In 2 hours we'll get the cash to pay it.

    Regards,

    Kenneth

    Al 08/05/12 09:18, En/na Andrew Norton ha escrit:

    On 5/5/2012 11:23 AM, Richard Stallman
      wrote:

      >    
      https://docs.google.com/a/pirateparty.org.au/spreadsheet/viewform?formkey=dGN0NkNDODVHZHg3T0hKSWFtT1VYbXc6MQ

      > I suspect that people will find it impossible to fill in
      answers there

      > without running a large nonfree Javascript program.

      > The Pirate Party doesn't campaign for abolishing nonfree
      software.

      > But is it good Pirate Party activities to push people into
      using

      > nonfree software?

      A better question we have to ask ourselves is, "what is the aim of
      the

      Pirate Party?"

      Is it to be the political arm for the FSF, as Sinn Fein was for
      the IRA? No.

      Therefore your question is really more of a distraction from our
      core

      aims. Personally, I don't care if it's 'free' not 'nonfree' so
      long as

      it enabled me to do the work that needs doing. We could spend time

      making sure we only use 'free software', or we could spend time
      working

      on our core issues. I think out time is better spent on the
      latter. If

      there's a readily available 'free' option, that takes little/no
      extra

      time and effort, then sure, use it if you want, but we have so
      much to

      do, and so little in the way of resources, that it's a
      time&effort

      wasting distraction that we can ill-afford.

      Sure, Mozart could have spent another 90mins making a pure html
      version

      for 'free use', but that's 90mins that has been spent to do the
      same

      job, and thus 90mins that couldn't be spent on something else,
      like

      ACTA, or any one of a dozen other pressing issues. then the extra
      time

      to process things after.... It's a luxury we can't afford, even if
      you can.

      And suggesting we take extra time, to satisfy some philosophical

      position that isn't even a pirate position... that just doesn't
      seem

      logical, does it? More like touting a philosophy for the sake of
      it really.

      Andrew

      > --

      > Dr Richard Stallman

      > President, Free Software Foundation

      > 51 Franklin St

      > Boston MA 02110

      > USA

      > www.fsf.org  www.gnu.org

      > Skype: No way! That's nonfree (freedom-denying) software.

      >   Use Ekiga or an ordinary phone call

      > ____________________________________________________

      > Pirate Parties International - General Talk

      > pp.international.general at lists.pirateweb.net

      >
      http://lists.pirateweb.net/mailman/listinfo/pp.international.general

    >
      ____________________________________________________

      > Pirate Parties International - General Talk

      > pp.international.general at lists.pirateweb.net

      >
      http://lists.pirateweb.net/mailman/listinfo/pp.international.general

____________________________________________________

Pirate Parties International - General Talk

pp.international.general at lists.pirateweb.net

http://lists.pirateweb.net/mailman/listinfo/pp.international.general

____________________________________________________
Pirate Parties International - General Talk
pp.international.general at lists.pirateweb.net
http://lists.pirateweb.net/mailman/listinfo/pp.international.general 		 	   		  
-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <http://lists.pirateweb.net/pipermail/pp.international.general/attachments/20120508/79741a60/attachment.html>