[pp.int.general] Research Survey.

Tue May 8 23:10:03 CEST 2012

Dear Antonio,

Can you just stop refering to me?

IMO, you're an "idealist" (to be polite) who loves to make people waste
their time, just another point of view :)

Regards,

Kenneth

Al 08/05/12 18:59, En/na Antonio Garcia ha escrit:
> I ditched PAYPAL right after the WikiLeaks scandal, and I'm not
> backtracking.
>
> And Kenneth sounds like the fucking RIAA calculating lost profits ;) .
>
> Pragmatism without ethics will get us nowhere (why am I
> thinkingVågmästarställning here?).
>
> Stupidity is not the only sin that plagues humanity.
>
>
> Antonio.
> PP-ES
>
>
> P.S.: I'm sorry Kenneth, you can come and collect in Brussels any time
> you want. Can't do otherwise in an economically feasible way, as I do
> not even have a bank account ;) .
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> Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 13:36:28 +0200
> From: marko.mitrovic at piratskapartija.com
> To: pp.international.general at lists.pirateweb.net
> Subject: Re: [pp.int.general] Research Survey.
>
> This is how I imagine ancient Greek philosophers worked. They sat in
> circles and for hours and days debated pointless things instead of
> taking some action. We are true direct democrats :)
>
> And I can't make paypal donation, it's not functional in my country :P
>
> On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 1:25 PM, Kenneth Peiruza <kenneth at pirata.cat
> <mailto:kenneth at pirata.cat>> wrote:
>
>     Dear Andrew,
>
>     Ok, I understand we must be efficient, right, but this whole
>     thread is POINTLESS.
>
>     There's loads of FLOSS tools to create polls/surveys and it just
>     takes 3 minutes to install them, or just pay 30$ to someone else
>     and you'll get it as a service.
>
>     Creating the poll/survey itself is time consuming in any platform,
>     free or privative.
>
>     This whole chatting wasted a lot more time than creating the
>     survey itself. Let's take 5 minutes / participant's email * 18,
>     that's at least 90 minutes, + readers.
>
>     I charge my hours from 40 to 80 EUR, so, we wasted more than 100
>     EUR, 4 times what it costs to pay to get this thing done.
>
>     Talking about efficiency, we are stupid.
>
>     Next one to reply this thread is invited to make a paypal donation
>     of 5EUR. In 2 hours we'll get the cash to pay it.
>
>
>     Regards,
>
>     Kenneth
>
>
>
>     Al 08/05/12 09:18, En/na Andrew Norton ha escrit:
>
>         On 5/5/2012 11:23 AM, Richard Stallman wrote:
>         >    
>         https://docs.google.com/a/pirateparty.org.au/spreadsheet/viewform?formkey=dGN0NkNDODVHZHg3T0hKSWFtT1VYbXc6MQ
>
>
>         > I suspect that people will find it impossible to fill in
>         answers there
>         > without running a large nonfree Javascript program.
>
>         > The Pirate Party doesn't campaign for abolishing nonfree
>         software.
>         > But is it good Pirate Party activities to push people into using
>         > nonfree software?
>
>         A better question we have to ask ourselves is, "what is the
>         aim of the
>         Pirate Party?"
>
>         Is it to be the political arm for the FSF, as Sinn Fein was
>         for the IRA? No.
>         Therefore your question is really more of a distraction from
>         our core
>         aims. Personally, I don't care if it's 'free' not 'nonfree' so
>         long as
>         it enabled me to do the work that needs doing. We could spend time
>         making sure we only use 'free software', or we could spend
>         time working
>         on our core issues. I think out time is better spent on the
>         latter. If
>         there's a readily available 'free' option, that takes
>         little/no extra
>         time and effort, then sure, use it if you want, but we have so
>         much to
>         do, and so little in the way of resources, that it's a time&effort
>         wasting distraction that we can ill-afford.
>
>         Sure, Mozart could have spent another 90mins making a pure
>         html version
>         for 'free use', but that's 90mins that has been spent to do
>         the same
>         job, and thus 90mins that couldn't be spent on something else,
>         like
>         ACTA, or any one of a dozen other pressing issues. then the
>         extra time
>         to process things after.... It's a luxury we can't afford,
>         even if you can.
>
>         And suggesting we take extra time, to satisfy some philosophical
>         position that isn't even a pirate position... that just
>         doesn't seem
>         logical, does it? More like touting a philosophy for the sake
>         of it really.
>
>         Andrew
>
>
>
>         > --
>         > Dr Richard Stallman
>         > President, Free Software Foundation
>         > 51 Franklin St
>         > Boston MA 02110
>         > USA
>         > www.fsf.org <http://www.fsf.org>  www.gnu.org
>         <http://www.gnu.org>
>         > Skype: No way! That's nonfree (freedom-denying) software.
>         >   Use Ekiga or an ordinary phone call
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