[pp.int.general] pp.international.general Digest, Vol 67, Issue 12

[Francisco George]

Hi All,

It is a good apreciation by Dario, but nonetheless we are being asked and
it would be nice if we can have an official statement by PP-DE on the
matter so we can adjust our answers to what happened really.

Thank you

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>    1. Julia Schramm (Thomas Bruderer)
>    2. Re: Julia Schramm (Jelena Jovanovic)
>    3. Re: Julia Schramm (Maxime Rouquet)
>    4. Re: Julia Schramm (Andy Halsall)
>    5. Re: Julia Schramm (Dario)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 16:32:06 +0200
> From: Thomas Bruderer <apophis at apophis.ch>
> To: pp.international.general at lists.pirateweb.net
> Subject: [pp.int.general] Julia Schramm
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> This is a media-disaster...
>
>
> https://torrentfreak.com/fail-prominent-pirate-party-politician-polices-book-pirates-120918/
>
> http://www.dailydot.com/news/german-pirate-party-julia-schramm/
>
> A DMCA takedown notice from a pirate  from a national the board - it's
> unbelievable!
>
> Currently we sit tight here and hope we don't get any attention in the
> newspapers. But it looks like the news is out now, and international
> reports are coming in: Are there any reactions planned? We could use
> some information to be prepared.
>
> There was only one article so far in Switzerland, so maybe it is keeping
> under the hood, but I think we should be prepared.
>
> There is no reaction from the German pirates so far, I think it's
> important that they take a serious step in cleaning up this mess. It's
> really destroying all our reputation...
>
> Regards,
> Thomas
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 16:53:24 +0200
> From: Jelena Jovanovic <jelena.the.one at gmail.com>
> To: Pirate Parties International -- General Talk
>         <pp.international.general at lists.pirateweb.net>
> Subject: Re: [pp.int.general] Julia Schramm
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> My 2 cents :)
>
> Actually it is not disaster, it is simply* controversial*  - and media love
> it, as I've have read today (different 5 articles)
>
> I figured the book brings more value to Pirate parties then this little
> controversy...this is just my opinion (media-PR-marketing professional)
> It is awesome for press. And it is good for Pirates also becazse the book
> is promoting serving the Internet as a lifestyle and Pirate party as its
> organic step forward in defense of Internet freedom.
>
> However the book was downloadable until few days ago....Hopefully the book
> will be translated into English and Chinese ...oh wait, that would be a
> perfect world domination plan :)
>
> I would suggest to take this easy, no harm can be done from novels and art
> in general. Media are living out of controversy. Pirates can only benefit
> from this kind of refined media  attention. It's art, and art is the final
> ladder in development of human species.
> I would be glad to have this book in South East European languages as soon
> as possible. As I see it can easily be game changer for generations that
> are not yet old enough to vote, but hey..!
>
> Jelena Jovanovic
> PPI board member
>
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 4:32 PM, Thomas Bruderer <apophis at apophis.ch>
> wrote:
>
> > This is a media-disaster...
> >
> > https://torrentfreak.com/fail-**prominent-pirate-party-**
> > politician-polices-book-**pirates-120918/<
> https://torrentfreak.com/fail-prominent-pirate-party-politician-polices-book-pirates-120918/
> >
> > http://www.dailydot.com/news/**german-pirate-party-julia-**schramm/<
> http://www.dailydot.com/news/german-pirate-party-julia-schramm/>
> >
> > A DMCA takedown notice from a pirate  from a national the board - it's
> > unbelievable!
> >
> > Currently we sit tight here and hope we don't get any attention in the
> > newspapers. But it looks like the news is out now, and international
> > reports are coming in: Are there any reactions planned? We could use some
> > information to be prepared.
> >
> > There was only one article so far in Switzerland, so maybe it is keeping
> > under the hood, but I think we should be prepared.
> >
> > There is no reaction from the German pirates so far, I think it's
> > important that they take a serious step in cleaning up this mess. It's
> > really destroying all our reputation...
> >
> > Regards,
> > Thomas
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> -
>
> Jelena Jovanovi?
> about.me/cybernaut
>
> Cybernaut explicit content: MOJ BEOGRAD (iz ?tampanog izdanja dnevnih
> novina Blic)<
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> Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 16:56:11 +0200
> From: Maxime Rouquet <maxime.rouquet at partipirate.org>
> To: pp.international.general at lists.pirateweb.net
> Subject: Re: [pp.int.general] Julia Schramm
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> On 09/19/2012 04:32 PM, Thomas Bruderer wrote:
> > A DMCA takedown notice from a pirate  from a national the board - it's
> > unbelievable!
>
> I think we should not react so suddenly and add credit to a certain
> interpretation of facts we do not know everything about.
>
> Yes, there was a DMCA notice sent ; but from the editor, not from Julia.
> And it appears quite certain she did not wanted this.
>
> It might be possible that she did not make it clear with her editor that
> the book would be under a free licence, which would be a mistake, but
> not as bad as what the media are interpreting.
>
> It is also possible that she made it clear and had a special contract,
> but the editor was not very careful and added it to the list of its
> books, and a robot or some employee found it on the platform and sent a
> DMCA notice automatically.
>
> We do not know what happened exactly, so we should ask everybody to be
> careful about interpretation, and give Julia the right to a fair trial.
>
> Alternatively, we can notice that a lot of people are waiting for
> mistakes made by pirates in Germany, as PP-DE is becoming more and more
> dangerous for all the current political class, and most of them and
> their contacts will enjoy using anything they can to destroy the image
> of PP-DE.
>
> Even if Julia made a mistake, I do not think it was as bad as what most
> people think at first look. Anyway, what is important is how she and the
> PP-DE will react if they made an error, and what they will have learned
> from it.
>
> (I have already been interviewed by a French independent media about
> books on this matter by the way).
>
> Regards,
>
> m
>
>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 15:58:25 +0100
> From: Andy Halsall <a.halsall at pirateparty.org.uk>
> To: "Pirate Parties International -- General Talk"
>         <pp.international.general at lists.pirateweb.net>
> Subject: Re: [pp.int.general] Julia Schramm
> Message-ID: <201209191558.26115.a.halsall at pirateparty.org.uk>
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> On Wednesday 19 September 2012 15:32:06 Thomas Bruderer wrote:
> > This is a media-disaster...
>
> Broadly agree...
> >
> >
> https://torrentfreak.com/fail-prominent-pirate-party-politician-polices-book-pirates-120918/
> >
> > http://www.dailydot.com/news/german-pirate-party-julia-schramm/
> >
> > A DMCA takedown notice from a pirate  from a national the board - it's
> > unbelievable!
> >
> > Currently we sit tight here and hope we don't get any attention in the
> > newspapers. But it looks like the news is out now, and international
> > reports are coming in: Are there any reactions planned? We could use
> > some information to be prepared.
>
> Even if we don't see any reactions immediately, this is likely to come up
> (potentially for all parties) when talking about this issue, especially in
> the context of debates with industry.  It could be used to undercut our
> positions, essentially that we will revert our positions if it comes to a
> crunch, or when we have personal stakes in the game.  Even if we don't
> react now (and I think it would be best for Germany to deal with the issue
> clearly..), we have to expect it to come up in future.  Essentially PPDE
> can have a significant impact on other PP's simply due to it's visibility.
> >
> > There was only one article so far in Switzerland, so maybe it is keeping
> > under the hood, but I think we should be prepared.
> >
> > There is no reaction from the German pirates so far, I think it's
> > important that they take a serious step in cleaning up this mess. It's
> > really destroying all our reputation...
>
> It would obviously be best for PPDE to put something out that gives a
> clear indication of what Julia was trying to do (I assume she tried to get
> a contract as close to our positions as possible).  The most obvious
> approach here would be to point out it was an individual decision, that in
> terms of the 'deal' (as I've read it) one could argue it's inline with our
> policy positions (10 year copyright in the UK..) as Julia has limited the
> amount of time she has 'handed her rights over'.  It could also be argued
> (although I'd avoid it), that this is a product of a broken system, where
> even someone very much supportive of copyright reform has to conform to be
> able to participate fully in the creative process.
>
> Of course that doesn't change the fact that there are DCMA notices with a
> prominent pirate's name on out there (I'm more used to receiving them..).
>  There is of course little we can do other than denounce, in a reasonable
> way, the situation and make our own positions as clear as possible.  It
> would also be rather useful to line up the artists, writers and others in
> the party that are involved in creating and releasing work in permissive
> ways so that we can at the very least point out that most of us do practice
> what we preach.
>
> Just some thoughts.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Thomas
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> Message: 5
> Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 17:05:08 +0200
> From: Dario <dario at pirata.cat>
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> Subject: Re: [pp.int.general] Julia Schramm
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> There are "worst" things than newspapers. Here in Spain we knew about this
> through our own Reddit/Digg, Men?ame (Men?ame is Spanish for "shake me"):
>
> http://www.meneame.net/story/alto-miembro-partido-pirata-aleman-ordena-retirada-copias-pirata
>
> Some statistics: about 1300 visits from there and some shares:
>
> http://sharedcount.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.meneame.net%2Fstory%2Falto-miembro-partido-pirata-aleman-ordena-retirada-copias-pirataAnd
> some harsh critics. As I read there, "if the perfection demanded to
> 'small' parties would be demanded to the 'big' ones, the world would be
> different". I agree with Jelena, it is not really bad.
>
> You can check too for social network shares for Der Spiegel post:
>
> http://sharedcount.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiegel.de%2Finternational%2Fgermany%2Fa-856468.html
>
> Ok, we can't measure Real Life (TM) impact but it is a nice way to measure
> the social network's spread.
>
> 2012/9/19 Thomas Bruderer <apophis at apophis.ch>
>
> > This is a media-disaster...
> >
> > https://torrentfreak.com/fail-**prominent-pirate-party-**
> > politician-polices-book-**pirates-120918/<
> https://torrentfreak.com/fail-prominent-pirate-party-politician-polices-book-pirates-120918/
> >
> > http://www.dailydot.com/news/**german-pirate-party-julia-**schramm/<
> http://www.dailydot.com/news/german-pirate-party-julia-schramm/>
> >
> > A DMCA takedown notice from a pirate  from a national the board - it's
> > unbelievable!
> >
> > Currently we sit tight here and hope we don't get any attention in the
> > newspapers. But it looks like the news is out now, and international
> > reports are coming in: Are there any reactions planned? We could use some
> > information to be prepared.
> >
> > There was only one article so far in Switzerland, so maybe it is keeping
> > under the hood, but I think we should be prepared.
> >
> > There is no reaction from the German pirates so far, I think it's
> > important that they take a serious step in cleaning up this mess. It's
> > really destroying all our reputation...
> >
> > Regards,
> > Thomas
> > ______________________________**______________________
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