[pp.int.general] Separation of Powers as a minimum PP requirement

[Anouk]

Hi Rafa,
my reply contains 2 'answers';
First, I disagree with imposing it (seperation of powers) as a precondition
for membership to the PPI.
Second, I gave an extreme example of where consequences of no seperation of
powers can lead to.
So my point is that there is/should be a reasonable balance between those 2
extremes. And creating an obligation how a pirate party should be organised
for PPI  membership is (also) not a pirate principle (dictating others),
not ?

Pirately,
Anouk
On 22 Aug 2013 15:51, "Rafa Couto" <rafacouto at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I disagree with your position. Yours is a bad example nowadays since several
> countries have their own launching codes<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_states_with_nuclear_weapons>.
> Inter-country (read group of people) stability is stronger when power is
> distributed.
>
> Moreover, the empowerment is a fundamental concept in pirate philosophy
> and a great value in order to avoid unfair rules. In my opinion, separation
> of power must be an option and should be used by individual parts.
>
> Regards,
> Rafa
>
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 2:39 PM, Anouk <jakobsheep at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Some more brainstorming,
>> The separation of powers as an advice yes, but as a condition, no.
>>
>> If problems occur in the future, we'll discuss it in a pirate way (direct
>> dialogue). Besides, what works for one not necessairely works for another.
>> (Next to the existing laws in each nation)
>>
>> Although,
>> to give an example of no separation of powers, about launching nucleair
>> missiles, are you saying it would be a good idea for each and all in a
>> country to have an immediate launching code ? ;-)
>>
>> Keep on dreaming.
>>
>> Pirately,
>> Anouk
>> On 21 Aug 2013 14:16, "carlo von lynX" <lynX at pirate.my.buttharp.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Whenever I talk to German Pirates about the idea of doing a
>>> political party without an effective separation of powers
>>> they quite naturally tell me it cannot work. In fact in
>>> Germany it's the law prescribing that parties need to have
>>> seperated legislative, executive and judicial powers.
>>>
>>> Somewhere some Pirates instead think that this seperation
>>> of powers thing is old-fashioned and an expression of the
>>> "system" as we know it.
>>>
>>> This is a valuable rebellious way to see it, but the visible
>>> consequence of this is that some verbally powerful people
>>> dominate the social habitat, while others, who feel unjustily
>>> treated or merely observe the behaviour of the ones in power,
>>> quickly steer away from participating and contributing to a
>>> common project. Thus, an actual political party never is
>>> formed. I could say, it remains the playground of a handful
>>> of bullies, but luckily I haven't seen any Pirate Party in
>>> such bad conditions. I am just theorising that it could end
>>> up that way.
>>>
>>> I am thus wondering if proper Seperation of Powers should be
>>> a criterion for full members of the PPI. A decision of this
>>> kind on international level would probably catalise the
>>> necessary reforms to make some PP's more functional than
>>> they currently are. I think there was some decision about
>>> requiring proper internal democracy in PP's, but does that
>>> imply a Separation of Powers?
>>>
>>> Just wondering if I am hitting a nail on the head or if I am
>>> just trolling without knowing myself.
>>>
>>> Greetings.
>>>
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