[pp.int.general] Antonio - do you want to work with us in organizing this movement?

Thu Jun 5 15:46:47 CEST 2014

I work with FAIR people, anytime.

Pirates should be FAIR (but there is a big question mark floating around about it nowadays.

If Pirates are still FAIR... prove it by doing the right thing.

Then I will STILL consider you Pirates, and work with you.

Otherwise, all I will have left to do is burn those vessels ful of rats and cockroaches...

... to force the construction of a totally new fleet that will NOT be contaminated by unovercomable filth.

Show me who you are, so that I can make that choice in a fair way.

Zbigniew, you are dodging compliance with the prerequisites.

I do not sign blank credit allowances.

Antonio.

> Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2014 15:37:38 +0200
> From: zzbbyy at gmail.com
> To: pp.international.general at lists.pirateweb.net
> Subject: Re: [pp.int.general] Antonio - do you want to work with us in organizing this movement?
> 
> Antonio - you are dodging the question.
> 
> Do you want to work with us - or not?
> 
> 
> Z.
> 
> 
> On Thu, Jun 5, 2014 at 3:29 PM, Antonio Garcia <ningunotro at hotmail.com> wrote:
> > Dear Zbigniew,
> >
> > I do recognise myself in the Pirate Codex:
> >
> > Pirate Codex
> >
> > Pirates are free
> >
> > Pirates are freedom-loving, independent, autonomous, and  disapprove of
> > blind obedience. They stand for informational self-determination and freedom
> > of opinion. Pirates bear the responsibility entailed by freedom.
> >
> >
> >> I am independent, autonomous, and disapprove of blind obedience. Things
> >> are logic, or not logic, right, or not right, ethic, or not ethic, conform
> >> to freely accepted rules, or not conform to freely accepted rules. These are
> >> YES or NO situations according to RATIONAL BEHAVIOUR based on SUFFICIENT
> >> KNOWLEDGE.
> >
> >
> > I do NOT trade my freedom because of NON-RATIONAL majority voting and
> > behaviour of crowds, be they supposed pirate ones.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Pirates respect privacy
> >
> > Pirates protect privacy. They fight against the increasing surveillance
> > mania of state and economy because it prohibits the  free development of the
> > individual. A free and democratic society is impossible without private and
> > unobserved free space.
> >
> >
> >> Please, do it in a rational way, without bowing to majority GUT feelings
> >> based on voluntary ignorance.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Pirates are critical
> >
> > Pirates are creative, curious, and do not acquiesce in the status quo. They
> > challenge systems, search for weak spots and find ways to correct them.
> > Pirates learn from their mistakes.
> >
> >
> >> I dare to be critical even about Pirate systems... I challenge EVERYTHING
> >> that does not seem to be logically nor ethically sound.
> >
> >
> > And there is MUCH to criticise in the pirate nirvana "#IDIOCRAZY"™ of the
> > many that do not give too much a damn and the few pragmatic bureaucrats
> > without respect for logic, ethic nor pirate honour.
> >
> >
> > There has been an incident in Spain that lead to the creation of an awkward
> > breakaway of the Pirate Party of Spain in Catalonia.
> >
> >
> > And there has been an incident in the PPI in 2012 where such party was
> > FRAUDULENTLY admitted as a full member of the PPI.
> >
> >
> > Uncountable breaches of Pirate statutes, principles, logic, ethic and honour
> > have been committed since to make this untenable situation last.
> >
> >
> > Having this in mind, who do you think you are, and what legitimity do you
> > still have, after your actions and/or omissions... to dare ask ME whether I
> > feel I should be part of the Pirate Community?
> >
> >
> > Do you think you are still a pirate?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Pirates are fair-minded
> >
> > They keep their word. Solidarity is important when it comes to collective
> > aims. Pirates counteract the blind-eye-mentality of society and take action
> > when moral courage is necessary.
> >
> >
> >> I value solidarity, a lot... in the defense of truth. Yeah, you are
> >> thinking right... I haven't seen much of it existing among the majority of
> >> those that dare call themselves pirates nowadays.
> >
> >
> > TWO YEARS of stupid troubles, and counting... for something that should have
> > taken ANY competent Court of Arbitration 20 minutes.
> >
> >
> > And all of you have been indolent or stupid or obfuscated enough to have
> > been looking at it during two long years now... and do nothing piratelike
> > according to this Codex I am commenting for you here.
> >
> >
> > So much for pirates being fair-minded.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Pirates respect life
> >
> > Pirates are peaceful. Therefore they reject the death penalty and the
> > destruction of our environment. Pirates stand for the sustainability of
> > nature and its resources. We do not accept patents on life.
> >
> >
> >> No, I ain't dead yet, nothing to comment.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Pirates are eager for knowledge
> >
> > The access to information, education, knowledge and scientific findings has
> > to be unlimited. Pirates support free culture and free software.
> >
> >
> >> Knowledge that has not interested many pirates:
> >
> >
> > http://samedokan.wordpress.com/2013/09/02/klarmachen-zum-kentern/
> >
> > http://samedokan.wordpress.com/2014/05/10/when-pirates-do-prefer-censorship/
> >
> >
> > Knowledge of own actions and omissions... to be deeply ashamed of, if
> > pirates only remember what such feeling tastes like.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Pirates are social
> > Pirates respect human dignity. They commit themselves to a society united in
> > solidarity where the strong defend the weak. Pirates stand for a political
> > culture of objectivity and fairness.
> >
> >> Guess what, I do value MY dignity a lot. And if it can not remain intact
> >> among you... well then... CATEGORICALLY... it is you, no matter what the
> >> number... who have forgotten what being a pirate has to be like.
> >
> >
> > Pirates are international
> >
> > Pirates are part of a global movement. They take advantage of the
> > opportunities offered by the internet and are therefore enabled to think and
> > act without borders.
> >
> >
> >> Show me the Movement... at this moment I only see sinking ships, and you
> >> are not even under siege, the internal quarrels and rampant incompetence of
> >> too many are more than enough.
> >
> >
> > At times I seem the only one left thinking anything at all...
> >
> >
> > ... all the rest seem monkeys that do not release the banana to free their
> > hand... and will die in the trap because of their own stupidity.
> >
> >
> > The Movement will NOT get any POSITIVE exposure again until the simple
> > logical and ethical problems are solved.
> >
> >
> > As long as you hide the truth... YOU can't be Pirates.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Do you believe you can solve the problem, or are Pirates doomed??
> >
> >
> >
> >> Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2014 13:52:08 +0200
> >> From: zzbbyy at gmail.com
> >> To: pp.international.general at lists.pirateweb.net
> >> Subject: [pp.int.general] Antonio - do you want to work with us in
> >> organizing this movement?
> >
> >>
> >> Or do you think that this is impossible, because we are too stupid, or
> >> because the organization is just doomed or for whatever other reason?
> >>
> >> What does it mean for you to work together, to collaborate?
> >>
> >> --
> >> Zbigniew Lukasiak
> >> http://brudnopis.blogspot.com/
> >> http://perlalchemy.blogspot.com/
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> 
> 
> -- 
> Zbigniew Lukasiak
> http://brudnopis.blogspot.com/
> http://perlalchemy.blogspot.com/
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