[pp.int.general] Don't you think we should stand up and actually do something?

Wed Mar 11 16:44:26 CET 2015

Ay Pirates,

Seems, that there are still some intellectual and emotional resources left within the movement. Resources, that better should not be bended in bureaucracy or formalities.

I never understood the goal, the sense and the concept of PPI. So I still am just watching, what happens and what is going on. Since that, it seems to be a platform for two types of people: The ones who want  to obtain power, control over the movement, reputation, remarkable celebritiy and the ones who just want to communicate and exchange what they are thinking about politically. Was there ever a goal the movement definitely wanted to achieve?

I think, what we can do: make it a platform just for pirates who want to find out, what we have in common and what we want to achieve in the future. What is our political vision of the world? What are the values, we share, what is our common ideology and what common interpretation and view of political philosophy do we share? Do we have a common intellectual basis and interpretation of political buzzwords like “Socialism”, “Communism”, “Liberalism”, “Feudalism”, “Fascism”, “Nazism”, “Radicalism”, “Conservatism”, “Anarchism”, “Anonysm”, “Neo-Conservatism”, “Neo-feudalism”, Neo-Liberalism”, “Capitalism” and “Anti-Capitalism”.

Inside a state with a quite homogenic history it is more or less easy to get a common interpretation, inside bigger states or federations like Germany, Spain, Italy, UK,  which do not have a common origin, where different nationalities still exist, or in states where Immigrants did not really merge to a common identity, like Argentina, it is hard enough to define a common view and interpretation of those political basics. On top: Not in every country there is enough investment in political formation at school or universities and political education and formation very often is just a topic for a few elites, often especially those elites who are formed to rule and govern companies and the administration. They just get this knowledge to learn how to dominate and not how to create and to maintain a democratic system based on freedom/liberty, equality, solidarity, civil rights, human rights, transparency, openness and all the real and virtual tools we propose to create and use as “commons”, in the sense, that the related infrastructures are common property and not legalized base for privatized public profit partnerships.

So I don’t understand how PPI can help in this. My first intent was to get a membership in a international pirate party and my disappointment was pretty hard, when I realized that it is just a formalized functional board without a perceivable common goal.

Are there still pirates who want to realize something or will shit dropping and blaming guilty still be acceptable on this platform?

I’m willing to ban it and to close communication to everybody who keeps doing this.

Best regards

Thomas Blechschmidt

Bavaria

Von: pp.international.general-bounces at lists.pirateweb.net [mailto:pp.international.general-bounces at lists.pirateweb.net] Im Auftrag von Enrique Herrera Noya
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 11. März 2015 14:07
An: Pirate Parties International -- General Talk
Betreff: Re: [pp.int.general] Don't you think we should stand up and actually do something?

my two cents,
in Chile at the end of last December (2014), we use change.org (maximum 40 recipients), to apply for the freezing of the regulatory plan of the city councilors (or aldermen), took advantage of inform neighbors ...
"We did burn twitter and facebook", 2600 email arrive to every councilor
As a result:
we reference us as social leaders
the city council is attentive to our proposals and demands
constitute an NGO neighbors and we will advise the municipality

other use we gave change.org, was with a draft law
"media law," we get from room was returned to committee
with only 600 signatures ... (email)

it could habiltar similar to change.org system without much restriction
reach by email MEPs ....

P-)

2015-03-11 4:34 GMT-03:00 Amelia Andersdotter <teirdes at gmail.com>:

On 03/05/15 11:43, hyazinthe at emailn.de wrote:
> Hi folks,
>
> Another thought:
> We as the european pirates can't disappear and every 5 years suddenly appear 3 months before EU elections and say "vote for us!",
> Well, we can, but than we don't need to wonder, that noone knows us. Currently key decision on our core topics are being made in the
> worst thinkable way. Why can't afford to be that quiet !
>
> Who's with me?

Sure, I see your point. I think your actions to call MEPs and write them
e-mails are great! More Pirates should do this locally, and perhaps as
social events!!! :-)

I have sketched postcards that can be sent to MEPs to remind them of the
copyright consultation. Think Amnesty-style. This is easier for those
pirates that have some form of common money to use.

Another idea I had, although this is practically more difficult and much
more demanding in resources of time and money, is to match geographical
origin of consultation responses with the nationality of MEPs, and then
simply transmit one citizen response to question 80 (the open-ended
question, where most citizens have provided short essays detailing their
relationship to copyright at large) to every MEP per day. For the German
responses alone, this would take three years(!) but for some of the
smaller member states it would take less than a month (although not much
less than a month :P).

One issue which needs to be dealt with in Germany is telecoms
competition: how to get municipalities involved in a competitive
telecoms strategy for the entire country. This is more or less happening
in some smaller municipalities in northern Germany. BUGLAS is the
national organisation for locally owned infrastructure. Austria shares
similar developments, with rural communities being increasingly agitated
that only the incumbents benefit from anti-competitive policies and at
the expense of citizen wellfare. I was thinking local petition,
targetting local politicians requesting them to be competitive - I've
tried this in Sweden, and the support for competitive markets and free
choice is over-whelming here, and the ears of housing associations in
equal measure deaf. I'll report back in a few months when I can more
accurately assess the outcome.

best regards,

Amelia

>
> Greetings,
> Tobias Lechner
>
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